Subject	I feel sorry for you Russell, I really do.
Posted by	SeedyROM on March 09, 2008 at 10:42 PM
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In Reply To	Z1 response to the thread that was just removed. posted by Russell@Z1 on March 09, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Message	This really isn't the way to keep a business. You've done quite well turning that chicken farm fire into a fat insurance payout for a new shop and some fancy web graphics but it takes more than that and some shady business dealings to go the distance. As I said in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007: You guys could be a great asset to the community if and when you stop blaming other people for your blatant and repeated fuckups. Will we have to see a repeat in 2009? It's up to you to decide that. Good luck. Avoid Z1 Motorsports - Hacked our forum to delete years of proof about service complaints, questionable ethics and lies about inventing products. Avoid AMS Products - Killing Z32 product innovation, one quickly copied Chinese part at a time. SoCalZCrew.com - On a more positive note, come find out how we do it in the West!
Follow Ups	Z1 response to the thread that was just removed. - Russell@Z1 15:42:49 03/09/08 I still support Z1 fully!!!!!You guys DO give great service - Kandy Orange Z 16:00:44 03/09/08 I will definitely keep buying from z1! no matter what this - jmurcybizd 17:16:07 03/09/08 2nd (n/m) - yosha 20:39:47 03/09/08 HUGE 3rd! Nothing but good transactions with me. (n/m) - scottyfender 23:27:15 03/09/08 This will stay up... - Greg (Dallas) 16:10:04 03/09/08 The Springer Cops Effect - The Devils Z 16:30:08 03/09/08 I don't think the manifolds were the core issue - aliaZ 18:19:22 03/09/08 Porter 5 force model is what Z1 is doing. - AZHeat 18:30:59 03/09/08 I dub thee Porter 5 force nazi (n/m) - aliaZ 19:16:34 03/09/08 The whole free market world is Porter 5 force nazi. - AZHeat 19:25:20 03/09/08 hard - Bezza 20:46:13 03/09/08 I didn't give up. My innovative product is more of - AZHeat 21:11:14 03/09/08 ? - aliaZ 21:22:08 03/09/08 No it doesn't matter at all. That's why it is not my top - AZHeat 21:35:56 03/09/08 not mocking it at all - aliaZ 21:39:01 03/09/08 pointing out that you ignore it with your arguments - AZHeat 21:49:23 03/09/08 yes, I ignore the Porter 5 force model - aliaZ 21:55:01 03/09/08 What products have they copied so far ? (n/m) - AZHeat 21:59:40 03/09/08 note that I didn't specify Z1? - aliaZ 22:04:30 03/09/08 Well, if he has any type of business ethics he - AZHeat 22:12:38 03/09/08 I agree with you 100% (n/m) - aliaZ 22:16:00 03/09/08 Well at least you get part of this. (n/m) - SeedyROM 22:24:24 03/09/08 ROFLMAO! You're either the densest member of tt.net, - Dustin 22:28:53 03/09/08 Who says he can't be both? =) - SeedyROM 22:37:34 03/09/08 You want to argue over semantics of the word business - AZHeat 23:05:15 03/09/08 When I used the word business to refer to TT.NET I was - AZHeat 23:00:53 03/09/08 Mike, sorry, but I interpreted what you said the same way - TT XTZ 15:15:48 03/10/08 Sorry to say that you gave up - Bezza 17:24:49 03/10/08 lol, that big party analogy is hilarious (n/m) - inf 16:54:57 03/09/08 agreed ... and somewhat true .. (n/m) - The Devils Z 16:58:41 03/09/08 It seemed to me that just as Russell's life would be so - LJZTT 17:07:08 03/09/08 How could "better moderators" help people from being upset - Scotts94z32 22:03:59 03/09/08 Thank you for letting it stay Greg. - Russell@Z1 19:35:13 03/09/08 No donation necessary - Greg (Dallas) 23:56:02 03/09/08 Fair enough. - Russell@Z1 00:05:48 03/10/08 this may be unpopular to say ... - The Devils Z 16:16:43 03/09/08 I don't see that as being the case - Broke_as_**** 16:29:03 03/09/08 The "core" uses the VTD system with success because - AZHeat 16:53:40 03/09/08 2nd (n/m) - Sleeper_TTZ(SeKy) 17:03:38 03/09/08 That's life on the intarweb (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 17:05:51 03/09/08 That's society in general. If you say something repeatly - AZHeat 17:29:16 03/09/08 Perfect response, there are many tag-alongs on this site... (n/m) - ClayZ90TT(NC) 17:09:56 03/09/08 And about five times as many ignorant penny-pinchers - SeedyROM 21:54:11 03/09/08 indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 22:37:26 03/09/08 or its possible.... - Tikigod (Denver) 17:39:19 03/09/08 Did you even read anything I wrote? - Broke_as_**** 17:42:22 03/09/08 Does it matter to you? Do you have a personal stake - AZHeat 17:50:39 03/09/08 Yes it matters to me, my moral compass works - Broke_as_**** 18:08:53 03/09/08 Exactly, but over and over and over and over and over - AZHeat 18:12:38 03/09/08 Then stop replying to it - Broke_as_**** 18:19:45 03/09/08 Pot. Kettle. Fini. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 19:05:47 03/09/08 Not realy. (n/m) - AZHeat 19:14:41 03/09/08 Really. (n/m) - Dustin 19:17:11 03/09/08 Am I bashing Z1 like others? (n/m) - AZHeat 19:28:02 03/09/08 Does it matter? You're arguing like there's no tomorrow. - TT XTZ 15:26:56 03/10/08 His name appears everywhere becuz hes getting bashed 2. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 15:37:29 03/10/08 Circular argument: he's getting bashed because - TT XTZ 16:03:47 03/10/08 lol .. some of your comments are quite funny actually (n/m) - The Devils Z 07:09:22 03/10/08 At this point, the same could be said to you, you realize. (n/m) - TT XTZ 15:21:58 03/10/08 if there was no collusion .. I agree .. the conspiracy - The Devils Z 16:57:16 03/09/08 Info - Broke_as_**** 18:11:15 03/09/08 Why would anyone delete T0M's ads for his 2.5" piping? - dogpile 20:19:24 03/09/08 Porter 5 Force model FTW!!! (n/m) - aliaZ 21:06:13 03/09/08 I know you are mocking. You probably didn't get taught - AZHeat 21:39:50 03/09/08 silly...I'm mocking YOU, not the Porter 5 force model - aliaZ 21:41:36 03/09/08 So you resort to an Ad hominem ? You can mock me - AZHeat 21:56:48 03/09/08 I never said you were wrong regarding the 5 force model - aliaZ 21:58:59 03/09/08 Why the Ad hominem ? (n/m) - AZHeat 22:01:44 03/09/08 I dunno - aliaZ 22:06:39 03/09/08 LOL, no problem dude. It's all good. (n/m) - AZHeat 22:16:25 03/09/08 lol ...good reading (n/m) - The Devils Z 07:14:06 03/10/08 I see that you get it ..it's not like the MS manifolds - The Devils Z 07:12:11 03/10/08 You're a sheep. - Spongerider :) 02:26:11 03/10/08 Greg himself says the "core" exist ... you are naive (n/m) - The Devils Z 07:13:10 03/10/08 You obviously aren't reading anything here - Broke_as_**** 11:58:12 03/10/08 u'r subjective opinion ..as I have mine .. until proven - The Devils Z 12:11:00 03/10/08 Ha - Broke_as_**** 12:35:43 03/10/08 LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:58:45 03/10/08 Two well written responses from both Greg and Russell. - Piranha(AZ) 16:18:38 03/09/08 If Greg and Damon get some actual moderators - LJZTT 17:00:24 03/09/08 2nd. Clear double standards applied by Admin. (n/m) - AZHeat 17:07:53 03/09/08 You dont like it then leave, why keep coming back and trying - Eishozzzz 17:41:24 03/09/08 Clearly. (n/m) - SactoTodd 09:26:57 03/10/08 I never understood complainging about something you - spotz 17:22:50 03/09/08 It's an observation, not a complaint, there's a difference (n/m) - LJZTT 17:29:31 03/09/08 I stopped "observing" this years ago. - ENVYMYZ 17:50:27 03/09/08 2nd. Got no response from Admin. (n/m) - AZHeat 17:51:38 03/09/08 maybe they just don't like you - aliaZ 18:03:34 03/09/08 No shift sherlock. Proved my point. (n/m) - AZHeat 18:09:49 03/09/08 what was your point again? (n/m) - aliaZ 18:11:41 03/09/08 What's yours? To prove that you are in tight with - AZHeat 18:40:25 03/09/08 bah...I've gotten my fair share of red boxes (n/m) - aliaZ 19:19:24 03/09/08 But you get responses to your emails . (n/m) - AZHeat 19:26:40 03/09/08 and I've emailed maybe twice in 8 years - aliaZ 21:11:44 03/09/08 I've emailed 4 times in 2 years with zero response back. - AZHeat 21:13:34 03/09/08 hmm - aliaZ 21:23:45 03/09/08 Email mod(s) directly if there is something in particular - Scotts94z32 22:01:11 03/09/08 I believe I did. Oh well. Not that important any more. (n/m) - AZHeat 22:18:37 03/09/08 Thank you. - Greg (Dallas) 17:33:51 03/09/08 Maybe a better analogy for your party is this. - AZHeat 19:13:29 03/09/08 my head just blew up (n/m) - ZiNnYc 19:16:10 03/09/08 lol, you need to lay off the Pot - - colocomp (Denver) 20:10:21 03/09/08 If we don't say something, are we condoning it ? - AZHeat 17:39:06 03/09/08 When site moderators start actually moderating objectively" - RAGTPZ 17:48:39 03/09/08 I'll be honest, I knew you were a mod, and in the back of my - LJZTT 20:00:09 03/09/08 Can you list the moderators that you are attacking then? - Scotts94z32 22:00:12 03/09/08 I don't think everyone knows who is a moderator. - AZHeat 22:04:51 03/09/08 It's in the SITE FAQ. - SeedyROM 22:11:48 03/09/08 Psst. That's not updated. ;-) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 22:18:08 03/09/08 I was going to ask that question :) (n/m) - AZHeat 22:19:44 03/09/08 No? Do tell. (n/m) - SeedyROM 22:23:33 03/09/08 That shows: - Scotts94z32 00:31:34 03/10/08 true. - Dallas DamonZ 01:24:48 03/10/08 Correct-a-mundo. In either event, "Sacto did it" :) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 09:43:46 03/10/08 Sacto always did it - that's stating the obvious. ;-) (n/m) - TT XTZ 15:39:55 03/10/08 Of course not, he's all mouth. - Spongerider :) 02:13:55 03/10/08 Which sort of nonsense haven't you seen on 3ZC? - TT XTZ 15:38:24 03/10/08 Speaking of Mods... where has SactoTodd been lately? :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 17:53:36 03/09/08 I guess no one knows :( (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 00:08:11 03/10/08 Out of town for 2 days, nice of you to miss me. :) (n/m) - SactoTodd 09:30:22 03/10/08 LOL Actually I did miss having you around. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 17:28:29 03/10/08 I personally think the Mods do a good job. - Josher 18:13:00 03/09/08 I do too, to be totally honest, as far as the big picture - LJZTT 20:06:53 03/09/08 Who are the current mods? - EricTTZ 22:29:58 03/09/08 2nd, I see wrong and right in both sides. - 550HPTT 18:15:12 03/09/08 "Its the weak minded followers and pole dancing retards" (n/m) - AZHeat 18:48:04 03/09/08 You danced around the manifold issue - Bezza 17:40:21 03/09/08 eh...I don't think it is entirely about the manifolds - aliaZ 17:53:04 03/09/08 Re: eh...I don't think it is entirely about the manifolds - Russell@Z1 20:12:29 03/09/08 Then stop implying that you have - SeedyROM 22:07:21 03/09/08 I'm not implying we have, that's your twisted interpretation - Russell@Z1 22:45:26 03/09/08 Now that we've called you on it, of course you'll say that - SeedyROM 22:53:46 03/09/08 Called us out? - Russell@Z1 23:38:23 03/09/08 *** this is true --I talked to Russell about this at - The Devils Z 07:24:04 03/10/08 I pray that you are not trying to copy the rails... - Waco300zx(DFW) 22:35:29 03/09/08 You should be on Jerry Springer. (n/m) - Marshall 17:58:20 03/09/08 He lives. - spicyZ 19:12:41 03/09/08 La-Z-Links not working (n/m) - ZiNnYc 18:18:42 03/09/08 2nd (n/m) - ghostinator (fl) 18:38:43 03/09/08 That was a long response... - golden_1 18:32:59 03/09/08 Guessing they used an exploit, not actively 'hacked' TT.net (n/m) - JBender 18:58:12 03/09/08 Glad you spoke up. - DVDBURN (MD) 19:08:58 03/09/08 Russell, you just don't seem to get it... - Only1Z 19:29:25 03/09/08 Oh and by the way, I have no problem with - Only1Z 19:43:36 03/09/08 No offense, but you're wrong. - TriniTT 19:52:16 03/09/08 If you say so... (n/m) - Only1Z 20:01:42 03/09/08 ...you can't say they are copies without someone - The Devils Z 07:28:16 03/10/08 It doesn't matter really... - Only1Z 21:41:53 03/10/08 i thought exact opposite - gt300zxtt 20:14:56 03/09/08 No offense, but you really don't know - Bezza 20:25:31 03/09/08 opinions by definition cannot be WRONG (n/m) - Ahmed 20:35:10 03/09/08 unless they are opinions on definition (n/m) - ZiNnYc 15:38:25 03/10/08 Let's put this aside...this wasn't the point of this - Only1Z 20:36:39 03/09/08 Except where Vuk admitted "borrowing" an MS set to flow test - SeedyROM 22:31:02 03/09/08 Ok, I digress. - TriniTT 23:49:04 03/09/08 well said. (n/m) - SaucyTabasco 20:50:00 03/09/08 Big 2nd. I'm basically in the same boat. - Dustin 23:07:02 03/09/08 Yeah it's really too bad it came to this. - Only1Z 23:25:11 03/09/08 This was probably your worst decision (the VTD crap) ever - spyhunterTT(nj) 19:54:13 03/09/08 Repost with links corrected - Russell@Z1 20:51:42 03/09/08 Business is Business. - Summeronthechain (MN) 21:19:55 03/09/08 It already has - SeedyROM 22:22:51 03/09/08 Evidence? - Summeronthechain (MN) 22:54:17 03/09/08 You mean so they can be copied? - SeedyROM 23:27:28 03/09/08 Well since most of this is a matter of opinion - Summeronthechain (MN) 00:15:25 03/10/08 (Total Hits: 17,894). *propaganda* LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:50:31 03/10/08 I'm thinking about making a "(Total Hits: a lot)" T-Shirt. - apudapus 03:13:05 03/10/08 LoL! You really don't want to do that. - Spongerider :) 12:56:20 03/10/08 very well said >> - stockplayerz(nyc) 22:25:58 03/09/08 I feel sorry for you Russell, I really do. - SeedyROM 22:42:24 03/09/08 You get more desperate with every post. - Russell@Z1 22:52:50 03/09/08 I'm not implying that, that's your twisted interpretation - SeedyROM 23:06:10 03/09/08 SeedyROM its time to stop now. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 22:59:01 03/09/08 He called me out. That's my rebuttal. - SeedyROM 23:00:47 03/09/08 Well who else is he going to call out... AZheat LOL (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 23:23:21 03/09/08 Good point ;) - SeedyROM 23:31:18 03/09/08 ygm (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 00:06:55 03/10/08 lol @ the new sig (n/m) - ZiNnYc 15:36:26 03/10/08 I'm sure you don't remember meeting me in Dallas during - Dustin 22:54:48 03/09/08 Agree 100% (n/m) - Only1Z 23:21:11 03/09/08 Wish I could put it so well. Great post Dustin. - SeedyROM 00:02:13 03/10/08 For what it is worth I'd rather all the posts stay this time (n/m) - Russell@Z1 00:09:26 03/10/08 They will. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 00:36:02 03/10/08 Well put. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:14:09 03/10/08 Actually I do remember and it was nice meeting you - Russell@Z1 11:35:17 03/10/08 I certainly didn't mean to imply that you or Z1 are - Dustin 19:49:33 03/10/08 well said (n/m) - aliaZ 23:47:48 03/10/08 *Core* LoL>> - Spongerider :) 01:36:19 03/10/08
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